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Gernot has been keeping track of where Mirrors are located around the world.
See http://mirrordiscussforum.org/documents/mirror_rollcall.pdf
If your Mirror is not listed therein, or is incorrectly listed contact Gernot
at gernot@mirrordiscussforum.com

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This boat is located in West Virginia (USA)

62816inBerlin's picture

Your boat is down in the Roll Call as # 29516 - which number is valid?

Has # 20718 found a new owner or shall we put her on the marketplace? If the latter is answered with "yes", we need to say who is to be contacted and where the boat currently is.

Cheers,

Gernot

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Gernot, we have two ! Both numbers/boats are here being restored. Our Face Book page, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sewell-Mountain-Sailing-Association-of-We... shows the work from starting point to the present.

Hi, last summer I became thi skipper of # 20568.
She has been amateur build around 1971 and was in good shape at the purchase, although the painting was bad.
I am stripping her completely on the outside, preparing her for new epoxied GF strips, priming and a couple of layers of new paint.
A small hole in the plywood under the rub rail at the stern will be covered with one of the circular cut outs, I am going to saw to facilitate inspection hatches, so that the flotation tanks can house minor equipment for "Nano Cruising (see WWW.nanocruising.uk). A piece og ply covering the inner side of the bow above the deck, the repair glued to this backing and covered on the outside by a layer of epoxied glass
Ole "Baadsen" Madsen, Denmark.

My mirror dinghy was given to me about 3 months ago in quite a bad state but i am currently restoring it

I have recently acquired Mirror # 45549 and I am currently getting her back into sailing condition. I have no history for her other than the fact that her previous owner had her in a shed for over 10 years. She has a little rot in the transom on the port side and a little fibreglass peeling in the centre case. Other than that a good sand, some fairing with filler and a fresh paint job will see the hull back on the water. I will update all the fittings and rigging and give the spars a good sand and varnish. The main and jib look to be original and so are looking very tired, but fine for getting my 7 year old lad out on the water to teach him to sail.
I am on the look out for a second hand kite and pole dimensions so that I can make a pole as none came with the boat.

Hi Gernot,
If you wouldn't mind adding my wee boat to the roll call please,here are her details.Mirror 21640. Her name is "Mc B". Haven't painted it on yet.Another winter job. I'm her helm,Noel, and Emma is my crew.She is located in Termon, Letterkenny, Ireland.

Thank you,
Noel

PuffinInTegel's picture

You have been entered in the Word document, but I haven't created the PDF and uploaded it yet ;-{)

Gernot H.

dictate's picture

Acquired this specimen. My first for about thirty years.
Sorry Gernot if I told you forty earlier!
Based in Norfolk (UK)

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I have difficulty remembering how long I've had Puffin now ;-{) .
Gernot H.

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Bought this mirror from Victoria a couple of years ago (I live in Adelaide) and the whole family love sailing now. I was sailing at BYRA NSW in the 70's and had the pleasure of sailing against the likes of Bill Jaffery and Ralph Newman. Cheers

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Welcome !
There were one or two Adelaide folks here. Bruce Moffat ("Crackers the Mirror") has sold his Mirror now though and I'm not sure who the others are. Adelaide does not seem to have as many dinghy aficionados as the East coast areas do.
I quite like Adelaide - have some family connections there.
Gernot H.

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Paul (aka Pidgeon2113) and others -- I love collecting boat names, even if there are duplicates and only the numbers are unique. I believe a boat should have a name in a digital age.
Cheers, Gernot H.

I have #33312. It will be called: Рябина
It means Rowan Tree in Russian (white flowers, red berries).

I decided no major refurb this year so it is getting one seam repair, two coats of "yacht varnish" and two of Dulux Weathershield, brilliant white.

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Welcome to the club!
I assumed you're in the UK, but it would be helpful to know for sure. I normally put in the owner's real name and where the boat is kept or sailed - is that OK with you? If so, please let me know the latter details. As forum admin, I do have your real name (provided you haven't put a sham one in for the registration).
Cheers;
Gernot H.

Hi, Gernot, I'm in Stonehaven, Scotland. Feel free to use my real name.

I'm doing a quick paint & varnish job, but decided to repair one seam. I hope to be sailing before year end in NE Scotland, but probably trailing to some of our amazing estuaries and sea lochs.

Incidentally, I bought 7829 (as I recall) back in the 1970s; it went to London, in care of my brother, and to who knows where when he moved overseas.

Regards,

James P.

Hi james,

I'm guessing that you're sailing with my old club (I haven't sailed there since the early '80s). There may still be a folk memory of my parents in the club as they're the ones who burned three holes in their Wayfarer's mast on the power lines just north of the clubhouse by the entrance to the nearer dinghy park, in the process turning on all the street lights round the harbour and causing moulten metal to drip onto the roofs of dozens of cars. (They were completely unharmed - just misjudged the place where they intended to stop to take the mast down.) I hope to return to ASYC some day when I get a new Mirror hull, but pressure of work is currently keeping me away from the water.

If you're racing at Stonehaven, make sure the top guys in the fastest boats aren't still getting away with influencing the design of the course every time - the current is weak, but it always rotates the same way in the bay and they may still be managing to push the OOD into setting a course that goes against it as that favours them (while Mirrors are the most disadvantaged).

I've never been in a club, though I've been considering. Only racing I've done has been with a Wayfarer in a 24-hr race on Bann estuary. I prefer wild cruising, on the west coast if possible but I'll try Loch of Skene once I'm ready.

The Loch of Skene's maybe a bit dull for cruising, but the east coast has a lot to offer. I always enjoyed the club's annual Catterline run from Stonehaven (five miles down and five back) when we'd be sailing between rafts of auks (puffins included) under the cliffs at Fowlsheugh - that's sailing at its best. It would be fun to do more of that kind of thing and to extend it to longer journeys down to Montrose and up to the Ythan. I also have a few crazy ideas about making much longer trips in a Mirror such as going round the NE, through the Great Glen, down to the Clyde, through the canal to the Forth, and back up home. If you fancy attempting something like that as a fleet of two (or more) Mirrors, let me know.

I did my early learning in clinker built dinghies on freshwater lochs, so I know the limitations on excitement. It is just a means of getting the boat on the water and checking for leaks since I tidied it up.

I have thought about cruising and have been looking at a few youtube videos of Mirror trips. Some folk rig up tents to make an overnight of it. Loch Lomond might be an idea for this sort of cruising.

Hi David..
Are you still visiting this forum? I got my mirror painted and varnished ready for last summer, then got hit by a serious cancer diagnosis that has put and end to all my plans. I have limited mobility, permitting only short walks in my garden. I guess I'll have to find a buyer for 33312.
Jim Parker

I can't put into words how sad I feel about that. I can only wish you the best and hope your situation improves. I was hoping that some day we could meet up and sail a couple of Mirrors together. My own plans have been delayed by a series of bad attacks of Crohn's disease (previously misdiagnosed as IBS) which have held me back from buying a boat (both for health and financial reasons), but I will consider any local Mirror that comes up for sale: my preference is to get a fibreglass one for cruising as they're more robust, but I haven't ruled out a wooden one. If you decide you really do have to sell, it would be best to advertise it now to maximise the chance of getting a fair price - this is a particularly good time in the season for that, and you can wait for months without feeling under pressure to accept any early offer. Of course, it isn't all about price: there may be a family in the area looking out for a Mirror to transform the lives of their children - finding the right people to buy your boat can be more important than any other factor as you will feel good every time you think about them sailing it, so make sure to advertise it at our local sailing club to maximise the chances of the right buyers knowing about it. If such a buyer exists, I wouldn't want to get in their way, but I also wouldn't want to see it sell for less than a reasonable price, so I'd want to step in to prevent that happening, although I'm in no great rush to buy at the present time. I'd recommend starting out with an optimistic price and also with a high reserve price - higher than I'm prepared to pay. Then lower both those prices if necessary and try again, and repeat this three or four times as the year goes on, but with increasing time gaps between each new auction. If no offer comes close to the reserve price and the reserve price nears the amount I'm prepared to offer, I'll take that as a sign that I should buy it. If it's in sound condition, I can't envisage a price under £250 as being acceptable, but you might be able to get twice that.

Thanks for the advice, David. Basically I would like to get back what I paid, £--- inc road trailer. I did the paint/varnish job and made a set of oars. If you know of anyone interested, then pls let me know.

I had also thought to meet up with you once I was on the water. If you want to switch to email for personal discussion I am

Regards, Jim

Hi Jim,

Aim for a bit more than you paid for it to take into account the work you did on it and don't be in any hurry to drop the price. However, if you're fit enough to travel and climb into a boat (and to sit in it for two or three hours at a time), there might be other options which don't involve selling straight away - someone else could join you to do all the heavy lifting, and a Mirror is big enough to carry two. If this sounds in any way viable, we should find a way to make it happen. There's one special little voyage that I have in mind which would be hard to beat and would reward all the work you've done on the boat, but I don't want to discuss details unless this sounds physically possible. If you think it might be an option, we can make arrangements through emails, and I've just sent you one to establish contact.

All the best,

David

Yes, Loch Lomond's probably the best inland water on Albion for that. Ireland's got lots of interesting lochs too, and navigable waterways connecting them. A safe sea option would be Orkney in the shelter of Scapa Flow. They'd all be good places for a fleet of a few small boats to get together for a cruise, or indeed for cruising alone. Travel costs aside, the challenge is to live long enough to explore them all.

62816inBerlin's picture

All those trip ideas are a great subject for a separate thread under "People, placece and events". Perhaps you could really raise a joint excursion, raid or messabout that way. After all, Euan aka user "muckle moose" is also an experienced Mirrorist* in the far North and is not afraid of a bit of hard weather.
Cheers,
Gernot

*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF0QlpICxL4

Great video!
Pete

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26 Nov 2016
Hello -
Mirror Dinghy #6334 checking in to the Forum from Boulder Colorado. I have owned her since 1993. A major hull restoration is in progress, and I hope to have her out on our little lakes and reservoirs by Spring 2017. Please add to registry.
Cheers
Erik

#6334, that is an oldie, good luck with your hull restoration, it would be great to see photos when you are finished. Also welcome to our Forum. I hope you find it useful.
I am sure Gernot will add your Mirror to Mirror Dinghy Roll Call. If your boat has a name perhaps you will let us know what it is an Gernot can include that in the Roll Call listing.
Pete

#6334, that is an oldie, good luck with your hull restoration, it would be great to see photos when you are finished. Also welcome to our Forum. I hope you find it useful.
I am sure Gernot will add your Mirror to Mirror Dinghy Roll Call. If your boat has a name perhaps you will let us know what it is an Gernot can include that in the Roll Call listing.
Pete

I have just taken over Mirror 10489 (1967?) built and sailed by the Denby family of Stapleford, Nottingham (but not for many years. She is in lovely shape, and i hope to sail her in Coniston Sailing Club in the New Year. Have named her Taralara.

I bought my kit in 1976, and had the boat about 85% completed when we moved into a new house. I moved the boat with me, but due to other demands on my time (and a loss of interest), I never completed it until this July, some 41 years later. I'm a perfectionist, and I have to admit she turned out great, so I'm calling her the "Finely Done." It has been stored in a dry basement in Charleston, WV from the beginning. Unfortunately, I now find myself 83 years old, and have neither the energy nor interest in sailing her. Rather than going through the hassle of selling the boat, I've donated it to my church for use with their Youth Groups. Right now I'm trying to come up with a fair value for this new/old boat for purposes of a tax deduction, and could use some help. As I recall, the original kit ran around $500 when I bought it. I now see new kits advertised for more than $3000 US. I haven't been able to find the price of a new one. So can anyone tell me, is this price difference due to inflation, or have there been significant improvements kit contents and quality over 41 years? Can any of you experienced Mirror people offer me some guidance on the boat's value in today's market?

Anyone else responding to this valuation question should write their own post before reading mine so as not to be influenced by it in any way, and should also post it before reading my figures. Any differences of opinion can then be discussed afterwards.

Some of the equipment has changed, but that shouldn't make a major difference to the value of the boat. The most significant changes are that there are new masts available which don't need a gaff, and the jib shape has changed, but the old mast and gaff retain their value and they are actually better in many circumstances when not racing. All other equipment is reasonably competitive in races. The old style of jib is still a sail which has a value, but anyone wanting to race will need to buy a new one if they want to be able to point as high as other boats in strong winds. Having fittings for the old jib on the gunwales or side decks will not reduce the value of the boat - a buyer will simply add new ones to the thwart and may retain the old ones for using with the old jib when cruising. A wooden hull made well and close to the minimum weight will always be worth more than a plastic boat when new, so the absolute minimum value of your boat would be the price of an equivalent plastic one like this one: https://www.tridentuk.com/gb/mirror-weekender-grp-sailing-dinghy.html - that's £3600 for a boat with minimal equipment. If I commissioned someone to build a wooden Mirror for me and it was beautifully made and right on the weight limit, I'd expect to pay nearer to £5000 before worrying about the rigging, so that might be a fair high-end valuation, though I don't know how easy it would be to get the taxman to accept that as their job is to push the value down rather than to play fair. Perhaps a value half way in between would be safer: £4300 - this underestimates the amount that someone might reasonably pay for it, but by the time they've added the more modern equipment required to race it at a top level, they'll be spending a bit more than the cost of a top-spec plastic boat (as they should be). These prices are for boats in Britain though. In America a buyer would realistically expect to pay a further £1000 for such a boat because of the premium on any boat that's expensive to import, so you could quite reasonably whack on another £500, taking you up to £4800.

David,
Thanks very much for your response. Just what I needed. Much appreciated.
William Bartley

In reality, you'd find it very hard to get anyone to build a Mirror for you for the price I suggested - it would depend on an extraordinary amount of generosity on their part, which is why people normally only build them for themselves with the hard work being part of the adventure. I'd like to see other people's numbers though, because I'm certainly not an expert in valuation - we need to tap into the wisdom of the crowd, and that means we could do with more (independent) valuations from others who haven't been influenced by each other.